Curse

ethraax · Nov 22, 2005, 01:28 AM // 01:28

I'm ALL for helping newbies (which are different from noobs and nubbs. Noobs are people who are just arrogant little.... Nubbs are people who pretend to know everything but really suck, and newbies are the innocent kind who are just new to the game), but...

Well, I DO have a presearing character, or I did for quite a while. It was a lvl 11 E/Mo healer or nuker, depending on the class of the person to help.

I helped countless newbies... but still

Some get clingy and are ALWAYS asking me for help.

I know some noobs who have beaten hells and still don't know the owrkings of the game, the builds, the items, etc.

Those people are hardly worth my time. Six hours to help a random noob is ENOUGH.

Its also because I HATE asking people for help or money and ANYTHING other than Thunderhead. The rest are easy enough for standard PUG's or henchies (mostly henchies, the friend of the real GW player).

Dentenko · Nov 22, 2005, 01:37 AM // 01:37

I have one post and one pre searing character. I use the post for my actual beeswax, leveling, quests, for my own good and such, and the pre searing for noob helping...though your right that the noobs do get clingy...i give them a little gold and a weapon and they start asking for 2k and a Longbow of Fortitude....oh well, I guess thats how people are...but giving out advice is a good idea...should start doing that sometime...

ethraax · Nov 22, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39

psh seems like no one wants advice if it won't get them rich...

meh, human nature: bleh

too bad i'm a human too

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 22, 2005, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by ethraax

psh seems like no one wants advice if it won't get them rich...

meh, human nature: bleh

too bad i'm a human too

Chuckle. Yup, human nature when cultured is to be greedy. Look at the "native americans" they weren't greedy, they just wanted their child, land, and wife. Then we take it all from them. Greed is a cultured man's crutch.

To give a song name about human nature and an all around emotional song, <download> Yes, I said download, I'm a bad person, but ELTON JOHN'S Indian Sunset...sad..powerful song.

--The Shim

sybban · Nov 22, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Some people aren't worth helping. Also look at this way, we figured it out on our own. I mean hell you have tons of knowledge avaible to cheat your way through anything. We had nothing. I say get over it, and do it yourseelf

Omega X · Nov 22, 2005, 03:37 AM // 03:37

I rarely come across any "new" players anymore. ITs all "Willing to run to this" or "Farming group that".

Maybe once in a blue moon, I'll run across a worthy newb that will either ask for my help or I will offer help. Unless I find them to be deaf jerks, then I will ignore them and keep to myself.

Adambomb · Nov 22, 2005, 10:14 AM // 10:14

I rarely come across newbies but when I do I try and help them.

I was in Ascalon 2 the other night trying to sell a perfect Vampiric sword hilt [which I haven't sold yet *hint hint*]. Anyway, a guy was asking for a cheap bow that was better than the bows you get in pre-searing. He said he didn't have much money and all that.

Anyway, I left Ascalon and went farming at Augury and went for a shower etc. I came back to Ascalon later and this guy was still there.

So I tracked him down, and gave him a good enough starter bow, a purple max dmg bow with a few bonuses for later on in the game and 1k.

I could tell he was a newbie because before when I was talking to him through whisper he was asking where to go next and what to do.

Anyway, it felt good helping others.... I could get used to it

-Adam

Chinook · Nov 22, 2005, 02:10 PM // 14:10

I'm still pretty new to the game, and I try and help those newer than me. Just recently gone to Post-Searing and I've left one of my characters in Pre-Searing. So from time-to-time I go back to Pre-Searing to help out other new players. Usually I just answer questions about quests and (most commonly) where armour collectors are found and what they need in exchange. If anyone need materials for a collector and I have some, I give them away for free.

Any help is better than no help, we were all new once.

quickmonty · Nov 22, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I spend most of my "free" time helping guild members, but when I have nothing else to do I will go into Ascalon and answer questions, give out low requirement weapons, help on missions and even donate some gold now and then. The one's that make me laugh are those that are begging for 2k to buy guild capes.

Sofonisba · Nov 22, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

I spend most of my "free" time helping guild members

Yes, I find most of my time is spent aiding/accompanying guild members also; I don't have the luxury of helping out strangers very often, as our guild has grown. (I'm the leader so my "own" come first.) However, I know that lots of our guild members DO go around giving stuff away.

I don't mind answering all-chat questions, it takes hardly any time at all..... Except when I was in Beacon's the other day and a guy asked in all-chat, the easiest way to get to underworld. So, I answered, and he asked, "Where is the Temple of the Ages?" and it turned out that although he was ascended and everything, he had never been to Bergen or Beetletun and didn't know where they were. I switched characters and offered to run him from LA to Bergen, where I knew he would find a group heading to ToA, and then I had to log.

So usually answering questions doesn't take but a bit of effort, sometimes it leads to more involved activities. Meh, I offered, he didn't beg, so it was all good.

ethraax · Nov 22, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I'm conceded to help noobs. Not worth my time - no one ever helped me !!
I mean, I USED to help them, but not anymore...
I'm trying to get enough money for fissure armor

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 22, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by ethraax

I'm conceded to help noobs. Not worth my time - no one ever helped me !!
I mean, I USED to help them, but not anymore...
I'm trying to get enough money for fissure armor

That's the same mentality that ruins game like this. Just because you weren't helped doesn't mean you should take it out on those "really" new people who just want some advice.

As is you shouldn't "EXPECT" help on anything unless you "ASK" for it. Simple enough. And even then, you might not get the desired results.

--The Shim

calamitykell · Nov 22, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven

That's the same mentality that ruins game like this. Just because you weren't helped doesn't mean you should take it out on those "really" new people who just want some advice.

As is you shouldn't "EXPECT" help on anything unless you "ASK" for it. Simple enough. And even then, you might not get the desired results.

--The Shim

But that's a direct contradiction to the "me me me" mentality that plagues way too many people in online game communities. (This kind of selfish/greedy behavior isn't unique to Guild Wars.)

One reason why I don't sit in Ascalon or anyplace for hours helping, is because it IS hard to separate the new players from the new characters. I do help out if I happen to see someone need help while I'm there, but I don't camp an outpost looking for people to help.

If it were easier to identify new players, I would.

ethraax · Nov 22, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Its, well....
Ever since people started taking advantage of me, I stopped helping them and everyone else, especially after I got scammed

.
I tend to judge the random populace of GW similarly...
Unless you are my friend, you are classified as 'random person'. This isn't always bad, but i'm skeptical of any trades, complaints, asking for money or help (being run through something) etc.

Sorry if this is abrupt to you, but I don't trust people other than my friends on GW. I used to, but after being... in a way betrayed, I don't anymore. Blame Baku the Crusher

ethraax · Nov 22, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

by the way, I've learned to game is SO easy if you use henchies for the almost the whole game. You can pause and wait AND go afk AND stop and do something ...
Anyway..

Fungus Amongus · Nov 22, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

I like to help new people who seem to ask for honest help. I refuse to help people that just seem too lazy to play the game themselves. I helped a guy playing a Warrior from Yak's to Borlis Pass. He was giving his best to fight his way. Along the way he said, "if I just had a better sword..." so I dropped Grognar's Sword for him. I didn't realize at the time how much I just gave him. Needless to say, I found out what people will pay for that! Ha Ha! Oh well, at least I am not too concerned about being the richest...

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 22, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Fungus Amongus

I like to help new people who seem to ask for honest help. I refuse to help people that just seem too lazy to play the game themselves. I helped a guy playing a Warrior from Yak's to Borlis Pass. He was giving his best to fight his way. Along the way he said, "if I just had a better sword..." so I dropped Grognar's Sword for him. I didn't realize at the time how much I just gave him. Needless to say, I found out what people will pay for that! Ha Ha! Oh well, at least I am not too concerned about being the richest...

Very good man. Although giving him the sword may enforce the co-dependcy, I'm sure he didn't point blank ask for it, so it's quite alright. And neither am I. With my 25k, I pay all the FoW/UW entrances, buy new people bags and runes of holding...I'm not worried. It's all karma, I believe.

To quote, "Everything you put out comes back to you tenfold" so I help and help. I'd like to have help if this quote is right, when I need it myself.

--The Shim

Sir Skullcrasher · Nov 22, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by The Vr of Silence

I only started playing guild wars 1 month ago and noticed that a lot of experinced players are very ignorant to newcomers and are unwilling to help or guid newstarters. This site a great for knowledge however i have decided to go one step further and will contact the admiins for there support.

I spend my time collecting all types of weapons and sell a few to survive however i also do the following.

Each friday in ascalon i give away weapons money and materials to noobs to get them started in the world for free. On friday gone i had a line of about 40 noobs all queing to get a little freebie and guidance on what to do next. I would like to know if anyone would also like to help on a friday to support these folks.

Cheer The Vr of Silence.

As a level 20 W/E, i help alot whether i know you or not. For example, two days ago, i was in Gate of Kryta selling stuffs. All the sudden a party invite was given to me and i accept (don't ask me why) I asked the two elementlist what they need. They said that they need to get some help for the mission. First of all, i don't know them, second.. i'm selling things to merchant. So i decided to help since i was bored. And we end up doing the mission easily!

Speaking of free things, i have given free weapons (Purple Fellblade, Gold Swords and others) to different players who team up with me.

Sofonisba · Nov 22, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

All right, I’ll make ONE concession to the anti-helpers. But it will NOT stop me from helping when I can in the future!!

I’ve given plenty of stuff away in my time, though not much recently. Your story, Fungus, reminded me of the many times that guildies will complain about having a “crappy” shield or weapon. I happen to keep some decent stuff lying around for just this occasion, so I put a couple of offers up in the window. Like if they’re a level-10 necro for instance, I’ll put a truncheon req 7 blood, almost max damage, and a cesta +11 energy. Instead of accepting the trade, they show me their low-req gold uber max defense, energy, armor, health and damage staff. Someone, a former guild member or a stranger, maybe gave that to them a long time ago—which causes them to assume it must be crappy, and they want something better.

I think if I ever give stuff away again, I’ll make sure the recipient knows how good it is.